Chris and Ian are joined by Dr Valeria Winkworth, People Consulting Director at EY, for a longer discussion about human-centred business transformation and change. Valeria first appeared on Workplace Geeks earlier this year as part of the second WORKTECH23 event special (called ‘three takes on change’) to talk about the first report from EY’s recent ‘Humans@Centre’ collaboration with Oxford University’s Saïd Business School, called ‘The future of transformation is human’ (2022).